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    • CommentAuthorDray
    • CommentTimeMay 19th 2008 edited
     

    Maybe it's just me, but there's no general chat here?

    Chill out night tonight. Feet up, watching Bil Oddy on beeb 4 - and it was surprisingly interesting - wildlife,as I guess you'd expect. And a bit distressing
    when it got to the hunting bit. And when it got to the Canadian seal cull bit, Oh, man. Some things are just plain wrong.

    Dray

    please move to the appropriate area?

    • CommentAuthorC.W
    • CommentTimeMay 20th 2008
     

    We need more general chat.

    Talking of things plain wrong, I agree that brutality in any form (not just to cute seals, but to anything) is very wrong.

    I also feel very strongly against abortion too, but as it leads to major arguments don't air the view too often.

    • CommentAuthorDray
    • CommentTimeMay 23rd 2008
     

    Well, on abortion I'm a bit black and white (assuming, as you say, you can be a bit anything on that issue).

    I've a little (second hand) experience - persuading lassies/couples with second thoughts not to. To be blunt.

    Guess there's not an excuse either way I've not heard. My view is that it's always tragic.

    My opinion is that it's plain stupid we don't, with such a wealthy society, have the infrastructure to care for
    unwanted children. And having spent time time with kids in care - and just left it - that they are such low achievers.

    Gets off soap box.:shocked::sad:

    • CommentAuthorCaroline W
    • CommentTimeMay 25th 2008
     

    Personally speaking, an unborn baby has potential, and it is a form of murder to have an abortion. I know a number of people who would love a baby, any baby, and it breaks their hearts when ever any has an abortion.

    Your own baby is the ideal, but if someone realy doesn't want that baby, let someone else love it and nurture it.

    On the whole, I don't get involved in face to face discussions as there are stronf feelings both ways.

    • CommentAuthorDray
    • CommentTimeMay 25th 2008
     

    Aye, can't disagree with you CW. I'm what I suppose is called a 'pro-lifer' nowadays.

    The couples I speak to who want to adopt or foster have to jump through hoops to get there. I understand the caution of the Services, but eeeurgh, they don't half make it hard for them.

    I wonder how many lassy's who don't want to go through pregnancy and birth might change their mind if they knew their babies had guaranteed parents? Somewhere? My lass, who can't have kids the 'normal' way, had our three by caesarian. She suffered one heck of a lot. But she wouldn't have given them up for the world. Gosh knows the hospital tried to persuade her otherwise. She has always said it's all about attitude. And I agree.

    Like you say - It's a contentious subject :smile:

    • CommentAuthorCaroline W
    • CommentTimeMay 25th 2008
     

    Our grown up son was born by emergency cesarean, so I was asleep and beccause I was asleep even the old man wasn't allowed to see our lad being born, they said it was a form of voyerism!

    We didn't have any more luck the natural way, and were offered fertility treatment with the proviso if there were too many babies some would have to be taken away. I know at the time I could not have coped with more than twins and there was no way I was making babies only to kill them again, so we decided not to.

    Our youngster who is nearly 4 we have letters of residency for, which means a step up from fostering and not quite adoption. We have known his birth family for nearly 20 years. We had to jump through hoops of fire and all sorts just to offer him stability. In the 18 months leading up to his commingt to live with us we had to be assessed by social workers, psychologists and the court appointed guardian. Social workers had to come into all of our places of work and talk to family and friends, and the culmination was an appearance in court. They say getting married moving home and changing jobs are all stressfull, I did all three when I got married, but this was MORE stressfull.

    The reason we have our little lad is his mum was involoved in a major road accident. His older brother was killed along with another child. Mum had a nervous break down with the stress and grief. The older sisters are with a foster carer but come and see our little lad on a regular basis.

    There are many people who would give these babies a good loving home and everyone would be happy.

    • CommentAuthorDray
    • CommentTimeMay 26th 2008
     

    I'm very humbled reading that CW. I was always encouraged to help out during Bear's caesarian's. The Bear was 'sort of' awake - a combo of the usual anaesthesia and epidural. We never planned any of our children - but, heck, we were grateful when we had them.

    I'm gobsmacked at some of the choices you were given with fertility treatment. I have to admit I'm not a big fan of the Social Services (The SS).
    I've found them arrogant, presumptive, obstructive and just plain big-headed. Having said that, I've dealt with them in my role as an err... volunteer advisor?

    It does look like despite the rigermerole (stress) you went/go through, your experience recently has been on the whole positive. I've mellowed in my opinion a bit recently when our 'social housing' (council house) needed assessing for disability needs (I did'nt ask - the surveyor must have noticed I'm a wheelie (chuckle!) ) Anyhow, they've made a darn good job of adapting our home. The lady from the social services went out of her way to be helpful.

    And yup, without people like you, who are willing to go through the process, I wonder how many kids will remain in care?

    I suppose I'm a bit narked that there are so many lasses who would rather go the termination route rather than consider adoption? But I'm biased.

    • CommentAuthorCaroline W
    • CommentTimeMay 26th 2008
     

    The SS is a good term for Social Services. From experience, they don't always have the practical experience for advising others on importany issues like raising children.

    My argument to those going for termination is it is not a means of contraception.

    Actually I think my mother is in favour of abortion, but she knows better than raise it with me.

    As for ceasearean, it is not an option many of us would choose if we could avoid it. My grown up son was a transeverse and I wouldn't wish that kind of agony on anyone.

    This forum has helped alot in being able to share experiences, so I hope I#m helping others too. Thanks everyone for listening.

    • CommentAuthorDray
    • CommentTimeMay 28th 2008 edited
     

    And thanks to you C.W. Kudos for being gutsy enough to discuss such difficult subjects. :)

    I was hoping by starting a general chat thingie that a few more readers would join in. But to be honest, I think this board needs to be publicised a bit more.

    I have an inkling how to up it's ratings in the search engines. If that's o.k. with Best Buddy (aka, The Boss). I'm fairly certain that it's more read than written. Thinking of the Boss - if someone would like to contribute to the running of the board, is there a way of doing so without going through paypal - which is a mess at the moment. I'd prefer cash contributions myself. If it's possible.

    Pssst. I have a feeling you've become a sorta moderater - I'll second that :cool:

    • CommentAuthorC.W
    • CommentTimeMay 30th 2008
     

    Don't know about being gutsy. I try to say what has to be said, I don't sugar the pill. It's also good for me to get things out too. I hope it helps others.

    I only came across the board in the begining by accident, so yes more advertising would be good. I'll have to stick a few fliers up on notice boards at work as there are quite a few diabetics here, many of us have access to computers too.

    Brilliant idea, a contribution form everyone would help, even visitors to the boards on a scale of how much it is used and a scale of fees for memebers if that is workable?

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